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New i7 8700K ve MSI GTX 1080 Ti
ForAnAngeL-ozanDate: Monday, 06/08/2018, 9:00 PM | Message # 1
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Hi mates. I thought it was the time to prepare for BF V and built a new PC few weeks ago. Here it is:

My old one:
  • i7 3770K
  • Thermaltake Frio Extreme CPU Fan
  • MSI Z77A-GD55 
  • Zotac GTX 680 AMP! Edition
  • 8 GB (2x4) Gskill DDR3 1600 MHz RAM
  • Cooler Master HAF 912
  • 750W 80 Plus Bronze PSU


New one:

  • i7 8700K
  • Kraken X62
  • MSI Z370 Gaming M5
  • MSI GTX 1080 Ti Gaming X
  • Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO LED DDR4-3200Mhz 16 GB (2x8) RAM
  • Cooler Master H500P Mesh
  • Cooler Master MasterWatt 750W 80+ Bronze Semi Moduler
  • Corsair 120 GB SSD 
  • OCZ 240 GB SSD 
  • Seagate 1 TB HDD
 

I didn't buy new SSDs and HDD. Those are my old's storage devices. Next time I'll buy a brand new m2 SSD.
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GrumpehBritDate: Tuesday, 07/08/2018, 10:01 AM | Message # 2
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My 2ps worth.

Drop the 1080Ti Gaming X for a 1070Ti
There is NO real benefit to ram over 2666 unless your doing video editing ?
Change the 128 SSD to an M2 SSD of around 256 and use the change the 240 GB SSD to a 500 mb one.

Change the 1tb HDD to a 2tb one smile

use the cash you save from cheaper ram / cheaper GPU to fund the HDD swaps 

hope this helps

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ps. that Haf 912 case...LEGENDARY !!!

 
JamessuperfunDate: Wednesday, 08/08/2018, 4:25 PM | Message # 3
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Drop the 1080Ti Gaming X for a 1070Ti

Why? The 1080Ti is more expensive, but it outperforms the 1070Ti by a lot - the 1070Ti is consistently beaten by even the 1080 (non-Ti). The GPU is also going to be the most significant component for gaming performance, it's a powerful enough system that it will be the bottleneck. In Battlefield 1, you're looking at 115 vs 85 FPS. Resolution and FPS targets would be useful here (along with intent for other games), because it comes down to cost - is it worth spending the extra?

The 3200MHz kits from Corsair are actually really well priced, often within a few quid of the cheaper ones so I'd say go for it if there's no significant extra expense, but I agree that the performance benefit will likely be negligible. Not sure if it's any different for the RGB products. The post mentions the storage devices are being reused also, not bought.


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GrumpehBritDate: Thursday, 09/08/2018, 11:05 AM | Message # 4
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My point is Alex, never buy the top tier of anything until it either drops in price significantly or a later model is released and thus reduces the price.

Its all too easy to get sucked in paying too much for hardware.

We are not all Rockafella smile

This is from over 30 years experience of buying PC kit and a personal ethic of not being ripped off.

Yes the 1080ti outperforms the 1070ti but its ALOT more expensive and to be fair with 1100 series coming 'soonish' i would personally grab a 980ti for around 200 quid, and wait for the 1100 series '1180ti' or buy a much cheaper 1080ti then, and also sell on what is a legendary card in the 980ti.

My point was by saving a few quid on the GPU he can bury that into better storage, like and m2 drive as main, SSD for games and HDD for shit and laugh at all the 1080ti fanboys.

BF1 and 5 will still run brilliantly on a 1070ti.

What he did not mention was the resolution he was intending to play BF series at... if hes going all 4k then i change my mind, go 1080ti, infact, SLi the feckers.

3200 ram is a waste of money, unless you are video editing....2666 is the sweet spot... there is a cost difference if you are buying a bigger stick.

I just got some Corsair LPX 2666 8gb sticks (ones with the red heatsink} for 50 quid each...as people are 'jumping on the 3200 retard bus' and buying as its 'cool for gaming'..... arse smile so there is some flying around gumtree etc.

Also, please do not overlook your PSU.  Its THE most important bit in your build and should be respected smile  no need for 1000000000000000000 watt supplies you need a solid +12 rail outputting over 24 amps+ (for sli) so a GOOD 750 watt is more than ample for non sli...or even a 650 watt but again, no 'fingyangwong psus' etc :P

Main thing is, enjoy your build experience.  Such a satisfying thing knowing exactly what is inside your little box smile
 
JamessuperfunDate: Friday, 17/08/2018, 10:00 AM | Message # 5
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My point is Alex, never buy the top tier of anything until it either drops in price significantly or a later model is released and thus reduces the price.

This is from over 30 years experience of buying PC kit and a personal ethic of not being ripped off.

This is essentially the same as buying lower end hardware, though. They're not particularly comparable components and it will impact the experience significantly. The biggest difference between a mid range card of tomorrow and a high end card of today is time, the demands for games move along with modern hardware. It is simply more expensive to buy higher end equipment, to buy it once outdated is effectively to buy lower end hardware in the first place. At least right now, the price benefit is minimal.

As I said, don't buy it if you only want 1080p60Hz high or something (a new GPU and a good CPU overclock would probably get an acceptable experience with BF5 there), it would be a waste of money but on that budget I'd expect high refresh rates, settings and resolution. The graphics card is already likely to be the bottleneck on the 1080Ti. There's nothing wrong with building a more standard system but it is a difference in experience.

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Yes the 1080ti outperforms the 1070ti but its ALOT more expensive and to be fair with 1100 series coming 'soonish' i would personally grab a 980ti for around 200 quid, and wait for the 1100 series '1180ti' or buy a much cheaper 1080ti then, and also sell on what is a legendary card in the 980ti.

Unless he's buying used the 980Ti is selling for £600 new, not £200 and is about 20% slower than the 1070Ti which is cheaper at about £440. As I mentioned above, the 980Ti is only equivalent to the mid range of modern gaming hardware (1060/1070 non-Ti). You would be better off buying the current mid range of gaming hardware than the last generation's high end, including for resale value.

I would have gone for the better performance than more storage, particularly as you can easily add more drives in future while a whole new GPU is needed if it doesn't meet expectations. The described storage setup is already pretty decent.

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3200 ram is a waste of money, unless you are video editing....2666 is the sweet spot... there is a cost difference if you are buying a bigger stick.

Not necessarily, the cost difference is often negligible between different sticks. For example, the difference is £8 between the 2666MHz and 3000MHz sticks of Corsair Vengeance (it was significantly less even when I bought mine, though both were more expensive during the RAM shortage). For his chosen sticks on Amazon downgrading to the 2933MHz will save all of £2, but the 2666MHz is ~£50 cheaper so I'd say save the money. If the difference is negligible don't get the downgrade. It doesn't have much effect for his chosen CPU, Ryzen systems tend to see a much greater benefit from faster RAM.


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GrumpehBritDate: Sunday, 19/08/2018, 3:22 PM | Message # 6
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I got a 980Ti 6gig a couple of weeks ago for £200.  Yes it was used.  But i am planning to use it until the next gen cards hit then go 1080Ti when the price drops massively.  And resell the legendary 980Ti on wards also.

Is the 980Ti really 20% slower than the 1070Ti ? i did not know this !

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there you go, RTX 2080 will be launching real soon in stores so give it a few weeks and get your disounted 1080Ti !..they WILL need to reduce the price on these by at least 200

solved

 
JamessuperfunDate: Thursday, 23/08/2018, 7:48 AM | Message # 7
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I got a 980Ti 6gig a couple of weeks ago for £200. Yes it was used.

This changes things quite drastically, I don't think most people are shopping for used parts in their new build.

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Is the 980Ti really 20% slower than the 1070Ti ? i did not know this !

Yes, it is comfortably beaten by the 1070 non-Ti.


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GrumpehBritDate: Thursday, 23/08/2018, 12:43 PM | Message # 8
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My thoughts at the time where, 2000 series is due soon, 1080Ti will HAVE to come down once its out...and i can resell the 980Ti...

Win win !

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hardly comfortable :P

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